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 Post subject: help please
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:24 pm 
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Shikomi-san
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i while ago i saw memoirsof a geisha
i really enjoyed the dance before the crazy sagi musume imitation
it is mostlikely festival dance but i cannot tell because of their untraditional dress and hair :roll:
can anyone help me
i probably used to know but i dont go to festivals as much as i usd to :mad:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:45 am 
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All of the dances in that movie were choreographed by western people; none are truly Japanese in any real way. The dances mean nothing, after all, and just look pretty. Real 舞ãÂ

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:15 am 
Well they had a proffesional japanese geiko person dance choreographer. But as they say in the extra scenes they just *tweaked* it. I think the traditional dance is much more beautiful, but I guess they didn't think it would appeal to the western eye


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:41 pm 
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thanks
it really anger me when people thinkthey can edit another culture :evil:
grrr!
but espicially japanese
i love my culture and i somewhat am perfectionist when it comes to its portrayal


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:57 pm 
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Out of curiousity, Ruisu-san, How would you feel about an American (or other non-Japanese person) wanting to wear kimono all the time? Think they could do it? (I'm interested in making my own kimono and wearing them all the time  :P )

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:19 am 
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i ahve no issue with it at all
i think it is vey good actually :D
just as long the people wear it correctly [you and everyone else here would!]
i think kimono looks great on everyone
i love :lovelove  to wear them for formal occasions!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:35 am 
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I like to wear them for fun LOL

Image Taken tonight.  :oops:  There are stains on the collar though (other marks are on the mirror itself) :cry:  It's my only furisode!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:30 pm 
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OH!
you look beautiful!!
the kimono pattern is very edo which is a huge trend in japan now :lovelove


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:23 pm 
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Ruisu-san wrote:
the kimono pattern is very edo which is a huge trend in japan now :lovelove


SWEETNESS! I'm in fashion!  :D I reallyyy want to visit Japan, I don't know how most people do it though! They must have connections or associations they go through... I definately want to visit though one day, and the sooner the better!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:43 pm 
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Personally, not that I'm an expert or anything (of course), but, I think the odori scene in Memoirs was, weather that choreographer guy will admit it or not, I think he actually stole much of his "original" dance from Tamasaburo's protrayal of "Sagi Masume".

Take a look for yourself:
Beginning section - http://youtube.com/watch?v=4q1MPwD7zCI
Middle section - http://youtube.com/watch?v=kP4TdEMrNuo
Ending section - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q6O7KFCCEdU

I'd love to know what everyone thinks after they see those.  I want to know if you got the same feeling I did.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:38 pm 
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it's been a while since i saw it in Memoirs, but I definately understand what you mean- especially the beginning and when the midle part starts with the faster dancing. It's hard to compare them when one is so short and the other longer, though (especially when you're at work and can't watch the whole thing) :)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:47 pm 
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SONGBIRD516 wrote:
it's been a while since i saw it in Memoirs, but I definately understand what you mean- especially the beginning and when the midle part starts with the faster dancing. It's hard to compare them when one is so short and the other longer, though (especially when you're at work and can't watch the whole thing) :)


If you get a chance... watch the 1st part and the 3rd back to back!  and you'll REALLY see what I mean... I mean... MUCH of the memoirs "original" dance was ripped right off of it.

Oh!  And here's the Memoirs "ceasure" dance...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gz3DROS00k4

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:18 pm 
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i have seen sagi musume with bando
it very beautiful! :lovelove  espicially upclose

the part iwas talking about was dance before ripoff of sagi musume


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:47 pm 
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There are similarities....


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:13 am 
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I liked the dance beforehand too.  It was pretty cool looking...I DID like all the dances in the movie, even if they were Westernized.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:29 pm 
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I couldn't stomach the MOAG dance.  I had a strong feeling when I first saw the film that they did consult a Japanese person about certain moves, but, as they did with everything else with the film, simply took over and did to suit themselves.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:58 pm 
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Also, I have a feeling they westernized the dances so much because they figured western audiences would be bored with the original dances - since they are slower paced (many are), and emotional movements count much more.  Just like they thought the true geisha makeup would be too "scary" for western audiences.... to quote Charlie Brown... "Good greif..."

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:56 am 
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Sayaka wrote:
I couldn't stomach the MOAG dance.  I had a strong feeling when I first saw the film that they did consult a Japanese person about certain moves, but, as they did with everything else with the film, simply took over and did to suit themselves.


God, Sayaka, it's ARTISTIC LICENSE, DUH. :P And besides, cute maiko girls in white makeup is the stuff of nightmares.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:02 pm 
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I thought the dances were just weird and then bot Rob Marshall and John Deluca pretending to be geisha experts now :?


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