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 Post subject: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:45 pm 
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So, as the title says, in the July issue of japanese magazine called Koakuma Ageha - a Himegyaru magazine - the style inspiration was kimono dressing, and some of the models made a new style of Oiran, an modern like, but still looking like a oiran. Also in this edition, they teach you how to dress kimono and tie your obi like oiran :D

I REALLY LOVED THIS ISSUE AND I FEEL SO SORRY TO NOT POSTED THAT HERE IN THE TIME!
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For full edition, I will upload it if it is not forbidden here!
it's a great mag because teachs hairdos and how to dress!

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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That's one awesome magazine. A bit sparkly mind...


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Ooh, I love it! And I'm not one that likes sparkles. But I love the modern take on oiran/tayuu. Sort of, "How would they dress if they still existed?" :lovelove

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:09 am 
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"How would they dress if they still existed?" :lovelove


Probably in much more expensive stuff! <heh, heh>


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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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It's about as sparkly as purikura and probably aimed at the same audience. It's cute, though, thanks for the info :).

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Thanks for this Puri_Chan! Could you maybe post a few of the directions for hairstyles? I'd love to try these :D.

I wish I knew about Himegyaru a few years ago because I could have sooo pulled this off (18 to me feels too old for Himegyaru).

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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I want to see how they tied that obi. It looks pretty cool.


There are definitely too many damn sparkles, but I like the finished product of the oiran inspired looks; granted, I think they show FAR too much skin to be worn out like that (why is it that I can wear half of what that kimono covers, and yet that bare shoulder looks so much more naked?) but it's still cute. I'm not so into the himegyaru thing, but this over the top stuff is pretty fun to look at.


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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:11 am 
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Thanks so much for posting the make-up and hair tech, but I agree that translations would help alot. If this mag has make-up tips in other isues, I would also love to see them. I have always enjoyed dressing up my eyes so it would be fun to see if they have new things for me to try :kawaii:


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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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Ooooh, thanks so much for sharing! The pictures really make me think of Komagata Yumi from Rurouni Kenshin :lovelove

Umm the image is a little mature, so I'm posting a link rather than a picture ^^;

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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Hey girls, sorry to make you waiting for answers!
I will quote and answer everyone here :smil3:

Fuyou wrote:
It's about as sparkly as purikura and probably aimed at the same audience. It's cute, though, thanks for the info :).


The public of this magazine are Himegyaru and Kyabajyou(hostess, cabaret girls from Kyabakura = Cabaret Clubs), so they enjoy bling bling and the mag brings that in every issue.

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Thanks for this Puri_Chan! Could you maybe post a few of the directions for hairstyles? I'd love to try these :D.

I wish I knew about Himegyaru a few years ago because I could have sooo pulled this off (18 to me feels too old for Himegyaru).


You will not belive in what I gonna say: most of himegyaru are 22 years old or older. Belive me, there are some models in these mags that are 29 years old, the answer for that is because Ageha is more for kyabajyou girls than himegyaru and those both style are seen as more mature, but still cute in Japan. You can find on YT avideo that shows a married woman that does hime!


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Thanks so much for posting the make-up and hair tech, but I agree that translations would help alot. If this mag has make-up tips in other isues, I would also love to see them. I have always enjoyed dressing up my eyes so it would be fun to see if they have new things for me to try :kawaii:



Every mag has tips of hairdos and make up, and I LOVE the make up tips, they are classy, sexy, cute! There are communities in LJ that people share magazine scans of japanese mags! And mostly every month people post Koakuma Ageha! *remebering that most gyaru magazines showsa make up of eyes! If you love it, you should try to look for these mags!


I don't have translations of tips of how to dress, hot to tie obi and hairdos, those scans are small and some kanji got blurry :mad:

Anyway, I feel happy that everyone enjoyed, but I made this topic to let the Oiran/Tayuu area grow up, but they moved, so, that's ok anyway :kawaii:

OOOH Yumii from RK!! LOVE HER SO MUCH!!

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:56 pm 
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I don't have translations of tips of how to dress, hot to tie obi and hairdos, those scans are small and some kanji got blurry :mad:

Aww, darn. Well, hopefully I can piece together stuff from the pictures. I'd like to do a Sakuran costume sometime, and the obi style that they have in the picture looks simple and cute.


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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:26 pm 
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desertlily wrote:
Puri_chan wrote:
I don't have translations of tips of how to dress, hot to tie obi and hairdos, those scans are small and some kanji got blurry :mad:

Aww, darn. Well, hopefully I can piece together stuff from the pictures. I'd like to do a Sakuran costume sometime, and the obi style that they have in the picture looks simple and cute.


Hey, if you wish I can pm you(and everyone who wants if it is not forbidden here) with the links of This issue of Koakuma Ageha and March issues that also have more tips and coordinations of kimono, hair and make up!

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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Very sparkly but still I like it :)


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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:53 pm 
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Sparkle overload!

*knocked out on the floor with cartoony stars over my eyes*

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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What's a himegyaru? :?

Those girls almost look caucasian with their pale skin, light hair, and big eyes! Right out of manga, almost. (I can imagine all of them in Sailor Moon getup. Really sparkly sailor moon getup, like this: http://saraqael.deviantart.com/art/Real ... -120914707) I think that look is popular in Japan right now. I noticed many girls in Tokyo and even more traditional Kyoto with chestnut-colored hair and makeup done to make the eyes look bigger.

Anyway, I do like the new twist on Oiran fashion. Kind of kitcsh, really. And extremely shiney... 8-O


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Himegyaru is literally "princess girl" ("hime" - princess, "gyaru" - transliteration of girl). A subculture like the lolita fashions or ganguro or decore. Characterized by pink clothes, big "Marie Antoinette"-esque hair, sparkles, bows...

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(I can imagine all of them in Sailor Moon getup. Really sparkly sailor moon getup....


I'm on the wrong comp right now, but I DO have some himegyura-style Sailor Moon cosplays I can post for you :coy:

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Umekiko wrote:
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(I can imagine all of them in Sailor Moon getup. Really sparkly sailor moon getup....


I'm on the wrong comp right now, but I DO have some himegyura-style Sailor Moon cosplays I can post for you :coy:


Please do! I'd love to see!

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Umekiko wrote:
KatyCrayon wrote:
(I can imagine all of them in Sailor Moon getup. Really sparkly sailor moon getup....


I'm on the wrong comp right now, but I DO have some himegyura-style Sailor Moon cosplays I can post for you :coy:


Oooh, ooh, I want to see! Sailor Moon is one of my guilty pleasures. :D


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Me too, though I think we should just make a himegyura thread.

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Taadaa! Sorry for not posting sooner, I kinda forgot about this thread :oops:

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Whoa, I just realized there's no directions for a Sailor Saturn-inspired look :( Neptune's is very pretty, though

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Umekiko, those are gorgeous, thanks for posting! I love love love the Sailor Pluto one! :bunbun:

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Umekiko, those are awesome! So sparkley... I especially like the Venus and Neptune ones.


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I just wanted to ressurect this post because I tried out the style at an anime con and everyone really liked it!

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I bound my chest with ace bandages, which I covered with white johnson & jonson bandages. This look was surprisingly comfortable. I just used a simple Nagoya obi and added some tulle to make it look like the bow in the front was intentional.

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Seperately, I find it interesting that more and more photos from modern kimono fashion/style magazines include the models wearing..jewerly. Traditionally jewelry such ad rings, necklaces, and ear rings are not to be work with Kimono. However, modern trends and fashion seem to be including such additions.

Perhaps the old rule of 'no jewelry' is giving way?

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Atropos, it seems that rings are considered okay with kimono in most "regular-wear" instances. But other jewelry is a no-no, aside from (possibly) pearls with a kurotomesode. (only pearls, and only with a kurotomesode)


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Atropos, it seems that rings are considered okay with kimono in most "regular-wear" instances. But other jewelry is a no-no, aside from (possibly) pearls with a kurotomesode. (only pearls, and only with a kurotomesode)



Noted. However, I have had several older Japanese women inform me that even rings are offlimits per their standards and understanding. The inclusion of rings from the sources I have dealt with is a more modern trend.

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I think there is generally a rule against rings because many women wear kimono to chakai most frequently, and rings are banned from chakai because they could damage the chawan.

So, there's no reason not to wear rings with kimono, if you're not going to tea ceremony.

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I frequently wore earrings that matched my kimono, and was never lectured on it (little drops with pastel colors, worn with a komon). Other times (mainly when wearing furisode), I made sure to wear studs.

I also had an issue with rings, but only when dressing (they would sometimes catch on the threads in the obi, making pulls in the threads, even when being careful). So I'd take them off when dressing, but put them on when finished, as I always wear them. My sensei hadn't said anything about them that I can remember, but that was several years ago now. Many Japanese people I noticed don't wear rings at all; it wasn't something they did culturally (but is more common now with influence of Western culture, especially related to weddings).

I thought it was really only necklaces that were no-nos because of the neckline; I can't be positive about watches and bracelets, but I think those were not encouraged, either.


I know there's a blog I follow and the girl always posts a pic of the jewelry she's wearing with her outfit (earrings, bracelets, obidome, headbands/hairclips, etc). Granted, she's not dressing up for tea and she is definitely youthful and stylish (younger than 30, I'd venture), but her kitsuke seems pretty immaculate and I think she wears kimono every day [choko-san, if anyone if curious].

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The jewelry issue is of great interest to me.

Does anyone have any additional pictures of jewelry worn with kimono? Even if you do not forum post them, might you forum pm me them, please?

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Atropos wrote:
The jewelry issue is of great interest to me.

Does anyone have any additional pictures of jewelry worn with kimono? Even if you do not forum post them, might you forum pm me them, please?



I think it is pretty to have a bracelet, earrings or ring, just keep it simple. One of the traditionally 'inticing' aspect of Japanese femininity is wrists. So perhaps a nice delicate bracelet, but not a cuff?

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Wow, himegyaru Oiran... it seems like it wouldn't work but it's so cute!

About the jewelry, if I can offer a more (cynical?) business observation... kimono are a dying art in Japan for the most part, and I think new "trends" in kimono wearing can sometimes be explained by the industry trying really hard to, through marketing, make a garment that is seen as uber-traditional (read: stuffy and complicated) into something more modern, fun and cute that young people (their customers for the next 30 years) can relate to outside of memories of their grandma's wardrobe and the four-odd ceremonial times they wear kimono themselves in their entire lives. I could be wrong but if I were a kimono maker, that's what I'd do!

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Wow, himegyaru Oiran... it seems like it wouldn't work but it's so cute!

About the jewelry, if I can offer a more (cynical?) business observation... kimono are a dying art in Japan for the most part, and I think new "trends" in kimono wearing can sometimes be explained by the industry trying really hard to, through marketing, make a garment that is seen as uber-traditional (read: stuffy and complicated) into something more modern, fun and cute that young people (their customers for the next 30 years) can relate to outside of memories of their grandma's wardrobe and the four-odd ceremonial times they wear kimono themselves in their entire lives. I could be wrong but if I were a kimono maker, that's what I'd do!



Back on this topic - I would have to agree with this post.
If Kimono want to survive, the industry and style needs to evlove with the world. In the end, Kimono are a kind of cultural fashion, fashion changes. Trends come and go, so to should the kimono grow instead of remaining stagnant.

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:37 pm 
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I found an interview with Mamechiyo where she shares the same sentiments about how kimono needed to be modernized to be fashionable again.

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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Thanks so much for the pics! They were very helpful! :]


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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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Iyolin wrote:
I know there's a blog I follow and the girl always posts a pic of the jewelry she's wearing with her outfit (earrings, bracelets, obidome, headbands/hairclips, etc). Granted, she's not dressing up for tea and she is definitely youthful and stylish (younger than 30, I'd venture), but her kitsuke seems pretty immaculate and I think she wears kimono every day [choko-san, if anyone if curious].


Interesting. Would you mind posting the link t this blog?

One of the kimono magazines, I think UK, has a section on jewelry worn with kimono, mostly (only?) rings.

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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I won't be surprized if this became a bit popular, since I am a Gyaru myself, and the another Japanese fashion called 'Yamamba' is inspired by Yamamba(literally 'Mountain Hag') from old stories.

But this Oiran style looks fun :smil3: I'm going to try it one day in summer.....and when I get a Yukata (expensive!) :ermum

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I always find it very interesting to see how people bring different styles back. =D I think it is very telling about how they percieve different cultures and how they would dress if they were still around today. :]

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Auberginefleur wrote:
Iyolin wrote:
I know there's a blog I follow and the girl always posts a pic of the jewelry she's wearing with her outfit (earrings, bracelets, obidome, headbands/hairclips, etc). Granted, she's not dressing up for tea and she is definitely youthful and stylish (younger than 30, I'd venture), but her kitsuke seems pretty immaculate and I think she wears kimono every day [choko-san, if anyone if curious].


Interesting. Would you mind posting the link t this blog?

One of the kimono magazines, I think UK, has a section on jewelry worn with kimono, mostly (only?) rings.


The blog is here: http://blog.livedoor.jp/chokonyan/

It's one of my favorites to read. :)

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 Post subject: Re: This is very interesting about dressing as Oiran
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Thank you! i love the pictures soooo much!!! :kitti:
maybe i can find someone who can do my hair like sailor pluto! :coy: :lovelove

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Thought you guys may be interested in some of the anime based trends I've seen for wearing kimono. The first I saw in C.L.A.M.P.'s xxxHolic American vol. 3, page 28 and vol.6, page 163 were Yuko-san uses a corsette instead of an obi. The anime con I went to in may had a booth that sold both and had 5 difrent displays of kimono like this. The second I saw in Bleach by Kubo Tite on Nemu and she had a short men's top tucked up at the waist to a barely decent length and tyed with an obi, and at the con I had seen other girls who got men's tpos in difrent colors for the same type of look.
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SuzumeOdori wrote:
Wow, himegyaru Oiran... it seems like it wouldn't work but it's so cute!

About the jewelry, if I can offer a more (cynical?) business observation... kimono are a dying art in Japan for the most part, and I think new "trends" in kimono wearing can sometimes be explained by the industry trying really hard to, through marketing, make a garment that is seen as uber-traditional (read: stuffy and complicated) into something more modern, fun and cute that young people (their customers for the next 30 years) can relate to outside of memories of their grandma's wardrobe and the four-odd ceremonial times they wear kimono themselves in their entire lives. I could be wrong but if I were a kimono maker, that's what I'd do!



Back on this topic - I would have to agree with this post.
If Kimono want to survive, the industry and style needs to evlove with the world. In the end, Kimono are a kind of cultural fashion, fashion changes. Trends come and go, so to should the kimono grow instead of remaining stagnant.


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