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 Post subject: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:49 am 
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like for:

furisode

juban

tomesode

tsukesage

houmuji

geta

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:51 am 
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Have you tried searching some of the recommended kanji/dictionary sites? I think animelab and Jim Breen's have been suggested.

JB's is www.wwwjdic.com (I'm sure some of those, if not all, are in there)

Here's what I get from switching my compy to typing Japanese:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:56 am 
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oh, i forgot to ask for these

obijime

obiage

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:03 am 
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I'm not going to do these ones for you. I'm going to try and teach you instead.

Click on www.wwwjdic.com

Click on "search for words in the dictionary"

Type in the box your word (obiage, obijime, geta, whatever)

Click on the box so that the code knows it's a Japanese word (i.e. that you've entered a romanization, AKA a word in "romaji").

Click Begin Search.

Results page pops up (can't usually copy and paste those due to frames or soemthing) with kanji and hiragana, and if it's a verb or something, other hints. It also has a Stroke Order Diagram (SOD) for some kanji, so that if you click it, you'll get an animation that shows you the order of writing that kanji (kanji are written in a very specific order, if it's out of order, it's techinically been written wrong). The SOD also shows it larger, if you're looking for a bigger image of the kanji for some reason.


For a new search, just make sure the green dot is next to "new search", enter your word (Japanese or English), and make sure the correct box (text j/e [English] or romaji) is checked. And then "continue".


I guarantee you both obiage and obijime are in that dictionary.

Hope you don't mind the explanation. I know me just giving the answer is faster and easier for both of us, but it's like that adage - Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and feed him for a lifetime.

Once you find them, feel free to share with the rest of this thread, in case someone comes looking in a search or something.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:19 am 
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tempted to add this to the Knowledge section.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:45 am 
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thanks iyolin :)

and feel free to do so bebemochi, that way it wil be easier for others to access as well

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:03 pm 
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I must admit, about a year ago he didn't have very many good kimono terms in his dictionary. I emailed him, and now there's lots more than I thought there would be. I had searched for "haneri", and had little luck, and the hiragana was wrong (it had ha-ne-ri instead of ha-n-e-ri).   But now look:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:44 pm 
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I would like to go further into the fishing lesson number two:

Smart Japanese searching will mean using all the different combinations of a particular word, and also remembering even katakana or romaji might be used to give emphasis - one can never be sure in which way a word will be written. Here is an example:

付ãÂ

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:56 pm 
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i noticed, that a great resorce though that for sure

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:33 am 
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What about children's kimono?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:05 am 
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Kotone wrote:
What about children's kimono?


çâ€

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:23 pm 
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These are from another thread. I consolidated them here.



[quote="ikasan"][color=darkred]HI  :) , i am actually collecting some usuefull kitsuke /kana about the kistsuke'world .... maybe it can help somes ...

• Kitsuke - çÂ

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:38 pm 
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Iyolin wrote:
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Results page pops up (can't usually copy and paste those due to frames or soemthing)


I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I can always copy and paste my search results.  As long as the place I'm pasting to can support the encryption (which I guess is unicode).  WWJDIC is my favorite way to quickly find kanji to copy and paste into search bars (as for google or YJA), as I don't trust the IME to always give me the correct kanji first. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:00 pm 
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付ãÂ

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:12 am 
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 Post subject: Edited: added more kanji
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:57 pm 
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Yeah, you're right. Was absent-minded, once again, it seems :) Thanks!

Anyway, more kanji: (and do proof-read them, who knows what I am thinking of this time ;-))

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:31 am 
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I didn't see it already posted in here, but it it was, then it's my mistake  :D

hikizuri- 引ãÂ

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:33 am 
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I collected some kitsuke kanji from this thread and elsewhere for searching items in YJA and I thought I'd share :)

http://www.cs.uku.fi/~jhuovine/sanakirja.html

Sometimes searching with hiragana gives more results so I added hiragana too. I don't know much Japanese so there might be mistakes! Sorry it doesn't have any explanations or translations.

If someone finds this useful, great :)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:04 am 
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does anyone know the kanji or hirangana for "Kakeshita"? I havne't been able to find it anywhere!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:13 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:44 am 
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awesome! thank you very much.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:32 am 
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I'd like to find the kanji for "easy collar", I don't really know how it's called in japanese...
I've tried "eri sugata" in WWWJDIC but couldn't find anything related to kimono  :unsure:
Can you help me please?


EDIT-> I'd like to add another one:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:08 am 
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The "easy collar" has 3 names that I know of: kantan eri, eri sugata, and biyo eri.

The "eri" is all the same: 襟(P); è¡¿(oK); é ˜ ã€Â


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:51 pm 
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Thank you very much for your help Iyolin!
Actually nothing came out from searching on yahoo auction but I believe there is no item like that available now...


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:09 pm 
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I don't know if this has been posted, but I have found a Romaji-to-Katakana/Hiragana dictionary:

http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~danken/kanjidic.html

I did use it several times to search YJA. I saw that you get more results with Hiragana than Katakana. Does anyone know why..? It really depinds on how the user "spelled" the item?

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I think the link has been posted in the "make your own kamon" thread in the chit-chat section, long ago, but it is definitely a good idea to have it here.

A wild guess for the hiragana matter is that you're probably researching specifically Japanese items: hiragana syllabary is used for Japanese terms, and katakana for imported ones.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:34 pm 
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does anyone have the kanji for basho-fu and bingata? Hiragana versions don't give that many replies on YJA, so I thought maybe the kanji would be better...

thanks in advance :content:

ETA: I just found the kanji for basho-fu: 芭蕉布

for all those interested, bashofu - textile made from banana tree fibers - originated in Okinawa.

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ç´…åž‹ is what comes up when I just type it in. Strangely, both dictionaries I checked didn't have it as an entry! However, google-search pulled up a wiki article among other things, so I know it's correct.

Meaning breaks down to:

ç´… ã€Â

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:37 am 
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Ok i hate to be awkward, but does anybody know terms for mens kimono, i have tried using the search but i keep getting childrens kimono so i am sure i am at fault  :oops:


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Do you mean how to enter "men's kimono" into a search? Otoko no kimono (çâ€

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Try searching "çâ€

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you could try

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 Post subject: Re: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:00 am 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I can't seem to find this anywhere and the dictionary is little help... can someone provide me with kanji for the name Ichisumi?It would be most appreciated :coy:


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 Post subject: Re: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:52 am 
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Apologies if this is in the wrong thread. :oops:

I've noticed for most of the kanji that I've seen posted on this board (and this thread especially), that my computer just isn't getting the character encoding right. Is there a specific character encoding mode that I should be using for the IG forums so I can view the kanji in people's posts? (eg. Shift_JIS, ISO-2022-JP, EUC-JP) My default is Shift_JIS, but none of the three seem to be working for me.


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 Post subject: Re: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:12 am 
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When the forum was upgraded, a lot of the coding that would allow it to display Japanese characters properly was changed. This thread in particular is a casualty of that. The members who used kanji have to go back in and edit their posts to fix them. Or, possibly, a mod with lots of time and patience, haha.

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 Post subject: Re: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:28 am 
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Oooh, okay! Thanks a lot. :)

To get back on topic, here are some useful search terms I've come across in the past few days:

美容姿 びようすがた biyosugata
仮縫い かりぬい karinui
着尺 きじゃく kijaku (standard length of a kimono bolt)


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xiner wrote:
Try searching "çâ€


I'm looking for a black crested kimono for a man

I tried WWWJDIC but I didnt get the kanji i needed
The closest I got is: 男性 着物 (male kimono) and that was through babel fish.. and its pretty general...

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 Post subject: Re: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:40 pm 
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I'm not sure there's a specific name for that kind of garment, but you might want to try mixing and matching the following search terms:

着物 きもの kimono
男 おとこ man
男性 だんせい man
男性用 だんせいよう for men's use
黒 くろ black
紋 もん mon (crest)
五 ご five

You might also want to check out this category, which is specific to men's wafuku.


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 Post subject: Re: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:41 pm 
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You can try various combinations of

Otoko montsuki 男紋付 (man's montsuki)

Itsutsu montsuki 五つ紋付 (five mon kimono)

Danseiyou montsuki kimono 男性用紋付着物 (men's montsuki kimono)


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 Post subject: Re: [knowledge] Kitsuke Kanji / How to look up kanji
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Oh, montsuki! Thanks for helping to improve my pitiful knowledge of men's kitsuke. :oops:


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thankyou guys for helping me find them! This really helped!

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I searched through the thread, and I've used about 3 Japanese/Kanji online dictionaries, but I can't find the kanji for date eri. Can anyone help a girl out? Thanks!


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hey desertlily,

courtesy of xiner's Kimono Dic - my bible for YJA:

伊達襟 or hiragana だてえり :)

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Oooooh, thank you so much for the link! :lovelove I'll definitely have to bookmark this page.


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